Head Space

This episode we chat about head space, how to get into it, what it is, how to use it and what to do afterwards.  Join Bearly, Kains, and Loke on this definitely NSFW podcast delving into the world of Human Puppy Play.

Transcript

All right. Well, greetings and hello to all the pups and the pup lovers listening in. I am barely normal. I am.

All right. And you are listening to. What the hell are you listening to, or you're listening to off leash, you're listening to off leash, uh, definitely NSFW, which is not safe for work podcast about human puppy play and sexual kinks and all consensual today's subject is going to be Headspace. We're going to talk a little bit or a lot about Headspace, how you get into it, what you do with it, why you have to get into head space or do you have to get into Headspace?

All these questions shall be answered and many more will rise up as we talk about Headspace. So I'm going to start with Loki, Loki. How, what, what do you think has said? What, how would you define Headspace? Um, Headspace is kind of like a. It kind of changes for everyone. Right? So for the majority of people that I know that are puppies, it's more of like an escape from reality.

And I feel like that is a pretty good generalized statement to say. Um, so Headspace specifically, right? Puppies, little kids, things like that. Right. They don't really have any, anything that they required to do. Right. Any major things that they have to look after, like paying bills or washing dishes, things like that.

Right. Until they get a little bit older. Um, okay. So in that sense, it's more of like an escape from reality. So you can kind of wind down and get out of all the stresses of life and you don't have to deal with them. Um, so for Headspace, specifically of puppy, right? Instead of having to deal with all the negative things that happen in life and dealing with all of the kind of upsetting things in life and stuff like that.

A lot of ways, a lot of times some puppies will use the Headspace as a coping mechanism. Right. If they're dealing with something that's really bad, like potentially a death, right. Or losing their job or something like that. Right. So really heavily, negatively impacting event or situation that's going on.

A lot of people will get into Headspace, at least partially if not all the way, you know, they will, they will go into that head space. So that way they can kind of relax. Yeah. Not have to worry about everything that's going on. Um, obviously I don't recommend going into Headspace when it's not safe to do so.

Right. Because you're not gonna, you're not going to be able to look after yourself as well as what you can outside of Headspace, because, you know, you're, you're focused on one thing usually, right? You're focused on the exact task at hand, not your surroundings, not what's going on, things like that. Um, so it's, it's definitely more personally immersive and it can be dangerous in certain circumstances when you're not in a safe environment.

That's really the most important thing is when you get into head space to be in a safe environment. Um, so it's, it's really is more like an escape from reality for the most part. So would you say Headspace is more of a personal. Thing as opposed to a group thing, or can you be in a head space with a group of other puppies?

So, um, it can't be personal or it can't be group. Right. So when it comes down to it, a lot of times, unless you're always around puppies or whatever the case may be, that would be the consideration of more, um, or the situation. I apologize of more individualized Headspace, um, because you don't really have a lot of people to interact with if anyone, um, but it can be a group mentality, right.

For the people that play, um, like magic, the gathering, right. There's a there's boats on a few of the cards that are, um, they're called pack mentality. Right. Okay. Which basically means that in a pack mentality, you have multiple people. That can either give looks or, you know, hand movements or something similar to like that right.

Then kind of gets everyone on the same page of what they're doing. Um, so in the case of like an actual like Wolf, right. And what's, cause that's more direct to pack mentality, opposed to generalized like bio dogs or pets. Um, because of its being a more carnal thing, usually it's usually used in like hunting, right?

So they'll gather a few of the wolves of the pack that have been collected, um, which is not a great term for human puppies, but, um, for Wolf spaces, I just started about collecting pups later, but yeah, sick, um, the, uh, for wolves rate, they communicate, um, And for anyone that's prior military though, probably kind of understand where I'm going with this.

Um, they'll communicate either verbal or hand movement signals, things like that. Obviously they're going to be more like, looks and sounds when it comes to actual, like biologically, you know, canine based animals in the loop and family. Um, but outside of that and human puppies, it's usually like at Matias or like large pet meets, there's kind of like, there is kind of like a pup mentality thing then goes across the board where people can, um, kind of like give looks or things like that.

So like the vibe check kind of things like that, um, which I've only been to like two put meets outside of cons. So Keynes would probably be a. A better person to explain like the exact situation, um, when it's interrupting with multiple puppies, opposed to like one-on-one type of things. Cause that's usually what I focus on.

Um, but yeah, so Cain's what would you say is Headspace and how let's let's for example, say you have somebody that texts you on telegram and says, Hey, I like puppies. How do I become a puppy? What is this Headspace thing all about? Okay. So a lot of them actually get this asked quite a bit, actually. Um, there you go, tremendously.

Um, this exact actual question, um, and, uh, uh, most of the time it's like, Hey, you know, I find these pups really S like really hot, like, how do I become one or how do I get one? Or, you know, Blah, blah, blah, blah. There. They're usually wanting to, um, sexualize it. Yeah, very sexualized, uh, the pups pub space. And, uh, so I, I, you know, kindly educate them.

Um, but I actually have, uh, something that I usually, uh, read to them or type to them, but, uh, basically, uh, the way I put it is if you ever have had like a dog or a cat and you come home from, um, uh, a Workday and you're, you know, going to feed this animal that, that you are taken care of and you have ever had, have you ever wondered.

Man, that's such an easy life. I'm living as a dog or a cat. Like they, they, they get their food, they lounge around all day. They, you know, don't have a care in the world. Um, and that's kind of what a Headspace looks like as far as what, like the, um, the, the Headspace in pup play, it's basically characterizing a pet more so than, um, a, uh, you know, a human.

So you're, you're not doing a whole lot besides whatever you're told. Um, and, uh, you kind of just roam around and you can play fetch. You can, you know, do all sorts of things. Um, and we'll talk about, you know, triggers. Um, I use the word triggers just because it's, it's the people who kind of understand what that means when they, uh, It's just a very general term of it is a very general term.

And for the most part, when you hear somebody say I was triggered, it's usually a negative thing, but this is going to be a positive, positive, it's positive triggers. I like positivity in my life. Um, yes, it's so much easier. So, and better for you, basically what we call a Headspace. That's kind of what we're, what we're talking about is that Headspace of being a pet and not really doing a whole lot, besides just what they're told, you know, sitting, um, watching TV, like, uh, there's some pets that basically want to be, uh, footstools, uh, for, for their, for their handler or, you know, just a cuddle buddy, basically where they, they come home from work, they get in that head space and then they just want to unwind and be, uh, very, very.

Um, focused on just being taken care of, um, and you know, black,

she didn't do shit all day. And then she expect me to take care of when I came home from work. It's like, no, that's not going to happen. Yeah. Well, I mean, there is a lot like a pub, a pup can do, and this is, this is something else too, that, you know, a lot of times pups, um, turn into like a surface pop or, um, like, uh, um, yeah, it was boy house boy kind of in, in a way, but a surface pup will actually, you know, take care of other pups, um, will, um, also like look after other pups or like be like kind of like an alpha in some circumstances, but at the same time, I'm still have that pumped pup tendencies of, uh, being a good boy and.

Also something that I wanted to talk about as well, is the pup Headspace or the pup play is not beastiality. Um, a lot of times that is confused, especially on like grinder. I get a lot of text messages, um, on Grindr, like, oh, you fuck dogs. I would never hang out with you. I'm like, no. Okay. But that's not the case.

Human puppy play totally different. Totally different, totally different. So there, there's definitely, um, there's definitely a lot of, um, ways of getting in Headspace and it's not a cookie cutter, um, thing at all. Um, right. And we're just gonna talk about some, some things that can happen or how to trigger them.

Right. Well, now you were, when you were talking about being a service pup, uh, Loki was pointing at himself. Dramatically. So I'm guessing that low-key then is a service pup to some extent that's what he was trained in, actually. Okay. All right. So there you go. So excuse me, getting into Headspace, how does one get into Headspace?

You'd mentioned triggers, you mentioned alphas, littles, this and that, and all the other kinds of things. And um, so how do you get into a Headspace now? I know I, okay, so let's take it from a sexual standpoint. I know that if I'm going to have a hookup, my head space is I'm going to have a hookup. So I mean, so exactly let's do it, that kind of stuff, right?

Yeah. So, you know, I take care of things. I make sure that things are right and everything like that. And then, so is that kind of the same thing is getting into Headspace as a pup. I mean, do you. Maybe not, I guess I'm, I guess I'm, I'm throwing, throwing darts at a dark, you know? So, so you can, um, get like there's a bunch of different triggers.

Um, sometimes it's, it can be like a smell, um, being called, you know, good boy, girl, puppy, um, getting. Petting like petting, like on the belly head, chin back behind the ears, um, cuddling with someone that you trust, uh, playing fetch. Um, it can be, it can be gear that you have on, it can be, uh, being on all fours, um, barking, wagging tail, uh, chemical stimulants, like, uh, weed, nicotine, alcohol, and others of course.

Um, sense others. Yes. So we're not going to, we're not going to go into others. No, we're not going to get to others. So there's a, there's an, everybody knows about others enough. Yes. Yes. Um, but, uh, and toys and stuffed animals, um, there's, there's all sorts of different ways to get, I have to say I'm almost tempted to record the video of our session because Loki is being quite.

Animated in the background. Now, when you were talking earlier, you were petting his, you literally had your hand or you're putting his ear located that put you into a Headspace because I noticed that your attitude changed a little bit now because you were petted just recently. Um, I would say that I'm partially in that space here.

Okay. All right. Yeah. So I just, there you go. There you go. So, so that's kind of your trigger then is to be petted, uh, paid attention to that kind of stuff. Paid attention to is, is the biggest thing. Um, and that's, again, that's kind of can be somebody like examples of readiness. Um, so when, when there's a bratty pup, usually they're, they're wanting that attention.

And, uh, when you at any attention, whether it's negative or positive retention, correct. Exactly. And, but is it, but is it more role-play. So it can be in some regards, but it also, uh, doesn't need to be okay. All right. Cause I mean, if, if, if somebody was in my room doing to me, what look is doing to you right now, I'd be rather pissed off.

So, but, but he's just, he's just being a Bret pup to you right now. Yes. He's just, he's just poking and, uh, trying to get attention. I think he's going to get some discipline later on. Oh yes. Yes. Oh, okay. Well, but in the good way, in the good way. Well, yes, but again all consensual all. Oh yes. All this. All right.

So does a, does a handler have to get into Headspace? Uh, no. Uh, so, so a handler, a lot of times doesn't actually get into Headspace. Um, and that's because of the safety, uh, reasons involved. So like, uh, we are, we were talking a little bit about like the, um, pup events, um, like a mosh where you can see a bunch of pups and they're not necessarily in pup Headspace, or some of them might be in Headspace.

Some of them might be just, you know, walking around and talking to other pups and other handlers, the handlers though, a lot of times you'll see this where they'll be talking, but they'll be looking past you every once in a while to look at where their dog, where their puppy is, um, or dog, and basically checking in on them.

And this doesn't necessarily mean that the handler just has to be watching all the time. Um, This is just more of every once in a while, the puppy will just look and check on the pop and see if they're doing good. If they're needing something. And again, that's the communication that, uh, happens well before.

Um, any of them go to a pup mush together. A lot of times with, with me, when I, when I introduce a new pup, um, into the head space and into things, we do it one-on-one, uh, we don't do it at a loud venue because you want that pup to be focused on that one thing. Um, and try to get them to visualize and be in that head space first so that they can go in and out of it more easily, the more you do it, the better, like the easier it is to come in and out of.

So it takes a little training. I mean, I would assume. Okay, so you can't just like you just wake up and say I'm in puppy Headspace. Hello, bark, bark. Um, it doesn't work that way or can it, I mean, I would definitely say that it is, so I guess the best way to explain it is that it could be considered, so like there's muscle memory.

Right. So you do something so often that you have muscle memory from it. You don't really think about doing it with Rubik's cubes. Um, okay. Um, but that being said, um, there's also like, it's kind of weird to say it, but like mental memory, right? So muscle memory, but for your brain, for like Headspace or for like, remembering like.

Oh, I need to do this thing for work. Right. But I haven't done it like five years, but you start doing it. Right. And then do you remember everything? Does that make sense? Like, you'll start doing it, not remembering Jack shit. And then like couple of minutes into it. You're like, oh, I remember how to do this completely.

It's there's, there's kind of like a thing like that with Headspace. Um, but it's, it is a little different than that. It's not just like memory recall, I guess, would be the best statement because Headspace spaces not necessarily memory, it's more like a mental state, if that makes any sense. So this is going to sound, this is going to sound highly insulting, but.

Is there a certain level of intelligence that makes it more or less difficult to get into puppy Headspace actually, uh, what I found, um, is that the more brain you have, the more you're able to actually turn it off. Really? Yes. So that's kind of opposite of, I don't know if you're familiar with hypnotism or not yet.

Correct. So it's, it's kind of the same thing, but it's a little bit opposite because, um, it's self. Yeah. It's self-inflicted so like you're, you're causing your own brain to kind of shut off, um, in a way. And that's why people enjoy it so much. Um, and that's why the community has grown so much because people are trying to figure out this Headspace and are starting to come in and out of it and they're going, oh, wow.

This is like completely not just sexual. This is like an actual head space that I can go into to relax. Okay, I'm going to, I'm going to say something now you live in California. You think that micro dosing might have something to do with this Headspace stuff? I just ask it. I'm just, that seems to be all the rage is micro-dosing LSD and all these other things.

Do you think that might, I mean, you said other stuff. Yeah. So chemical stimulants can help, um, in the regard of getting into pup Headspace, I personally do not do that. Um, I know low-key, doesn't personally do that. Um, I can't afford that. Yeah. Well, I mean, my, my drug of choice is alcohol and weed, but yes.

Well, okay. So like again, I will do, I will partake in, in some alcohol, but it's usually to calm my nerves more so than going into Headspace. Okay. Um, that it definitely helps get into Headspace, but I can get into Headspace without any stimulant. Okay. All right. So how do you go about getting into Headspace?

So a lot of things is like you, you try these things. Um, you try these things with someone that you trust, like, you know, play fetch, uh, being on all fours, um, being on all fours actually is a very good trigger for a lot of people. Um, you basically go, okay, you're now on the floor, on your hands and knees and you do not get up anymore.

You literally do not get up. You cannot use your feet in the regular way that you use them. Um, and a lot of times they will, it'll take them a couple minutes, but, uh, they'll actually start figuring out, oh, wow. This is a very interesting, uh, thing. Um, Okay. So yes, Loki. So to add, to add onto that, I thought it was really cool.

Um, and like part of my courses that I did, um, so they started people out because there's different forms of all fours. Um, just moving in general. Um, so instead of like hands and knees, I've also seen like the, which it gets, I don't recommend it for people because that shit gets painful after a while because your body isn't used to it, but I've seen people get balanced, like from the ankle to like the upper thigh and had like Shabani wrapped around their legs and same thing with their arms.

And they like risk to, uh, I guess it'd be like the shoulder under arms. And then they walk on their elbows and knees and they didn't have any other option. That seems very painful though. It, it is. But usually they start out with. With like really padded fours. Okay. Um, because all these things in that case, you can't wear, which is another topic we're going to get into later, but you can't wear like elbow pads or, you know, like Mitch, because obviously you're not using your hands and you can't really wear knee pads because there's no good way to secure them.

Um, but over time it gets easier. Um, so I don't know if either of you ever heard it cause I used to partake. Um, but there's a thing called iron fist training, which basically what it does is it causes your bones to get denser and your skin to get denser. So it makes the own cushioning. So over time doing that, you get like thicker skin and denser elbows and knees over time.

So you don't notice it as much. Huh? All right. Well that's okay. So, so. Getting into Headspace since that's the subject of today's conversation and you're being bound like that. Are you in the head space while you're being bound or are you waiting to get, or is it just like a slow, slow burn into the Headspace?

So it depends on, um, the situation, because again, this is all. This is all consensual. So like, you're not, you're not just doing this. You're not just walking up to some random person on the street and going, okay, you're going to bind me so I can't walk anymore. And I might start barking at you. Just, just ignore that, right?

Yeah. It's yeah. It's not a random person. I get it. Yeah. So, so this is all talked about Weldon advance, uh, with, I just didn't want, you know, just some random person just to start like walking the streets and blaming us for, like they said on, off leash that I could just walk up to some guy and bark. Yeah.

Like, no, no, don't do that. No, please don't do that. Please. Don't do that. Um, please do, please tell us what happened. Yes. Yes. If you do, please write in. Cause I really want to know. Yeah. If you're not in prison. Yeah. I did it to my police officer friend and he just put me in jail. I don't understand what's happening, but yeah.

So the, the, the getting into Headspace, like yes, all of these things can be, you know, there there's, there's extremes of forms of these things where like that, you know, be being the , uh, uh, um, uh, pet rope, uh, bounding. I don't know what they call it is the, is the only unfortunate part. Um, cause all, all, all Shamari has like a specific name when like it's like a full body thing, right?

Yeah. There's are harnesses and artistic and binding and limitations and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a limitation bind, but anyways, uh, Basically all of this stuff, like, you know, it's just some ways of getting triggered to go into that head space. I'm not necessarily saying that you can be in it while it's happening.

It's something that can trigger you into that Headspace. Um, so like you were saying, like, is it, is it before you get bound or, you know, after you get bound or is it in between and it's, and I think it's all of the above, you can be in that Headspace getting bound like that. You can be not in the head space until after you can be in it, in the middle of it.

So it just depends on the situation and what's going on. Um, I don't think there's, there's really like a cookie cutter answer to that. Yeah, I would, I would agree with you. There's not a cookie cutter answer to getting into Headspace. It's like anything else? I mean, it's just like getting into health space for work or leaving work, coming home.

You're getting out of one Headspace getting into another. And I think a lot of folks, a lot of pups, a lot of firs, a lot of everybody seems to think that it's a specific thing that you have to do, but they're already doing it already in various aspects of their lives. They just don't, they're just not calling it that correct.

Correct. So, yes, that is very, very true. So like, um, you know, when, when I get off of work, a lot of times, um, I will go home and I will make myself food. And then after I eat, I, a lot of times go into pup Headspace where I'm playing a video game, I'm talking with someone or, um, you know, talking with low key or talking on discord with other pups or, you know, On whatever.

Basically I do all sorts of things on my computer when I'm at home. And I go in and out of Headspace. Yes. But, um, I'm not always not always going, he's doing the gagging, like thing, like sucking on someone. Uh, oh, he thinks it needs to be more safe, not safe for work. Oh no, we are definitely not safe for work.

I mean, so, I mean, if you don't talk about sucking a Dick, talk about sucking a Dick. I don't think, yeah. I mean, it, it is a things too. So like the sexual side of pup play is you, you can get into the pup Headspace, the sexual way as well of being that sub type of thing for that, uh, for that dominant person, you know, sucking Dick or being on the ground while someone's.

More humping your face, um, or, or giving you pets while they're humping your face or whatever, or whatever. Right. Um, doggy style, you know, you know, if we're going into that. Um, so like, there's, there's all sorts of different ways to trigger that, that Headspace, but basically once you find that head space, then you're more really like figuring out how to trigger it and then how to get to it again.

Okay. So do most pups in your experience have to be in a pup Headspace to enjoy sex? No, no, not now whatsoever. Oh, well, I, I mean, some people are just like, they just can't. I mean, you know, they have one thing that one kink and that's all they can do to have sex. Is that kink? That's it? Yeah. So some pups definitely aren't sexual.

Some pups are sexual and some, some pups never get into Headspace. Um, it's literally just like a fashion thing that they, that they, that they want to do the anime, but anonymity. Anonymity. Yes. That word. That's the word? I'm a dumb pup. I, I don't know. You're a pups. Don't know all the big words. Yes. Correct.

CNN and the enemy CNN on me. Yeah. Oh, wow. Okay. So, so Headspace, sexuality, getting into Headspace, doing the sexual. We're doing the sexual stuff in Headspace. When. It seems like there's, there's a very strong connection between the Headspace and the sexuality, even if you're not having sex, there can be, yes.

Okay. Um, and again, I don't want to, um, combine those, but in a blanket and statement because it it's very much so, um, every pup and every handler and every, every relationship, again, it is a relationship that you are working on and, uh, it's, it's going to be. It's going to be a rollercoaster, no matter what you do.

Um, you're going to have good days and you're going to have bad days. Um, even in Headspace, like you'll, you'll find that some days you just can't get into Headspace because whatever reason your brain just won't turn off. Um, and, and that's kind of like the, the handler can help trigger those things too.

When you have someone like that, um, or, or, you know, a daddy or, um, a significant other that, that is able to help you in that. Right. Okay. So, so what let's, let's back the train up a little bit. So Headspace, is it important? Do you have to be in Headspace to be a pup? No, no, no. Some of them not. So are they just like acting at that point or what?

I mean, I guess so you, you can, you can act like a dog and it's still enjoyable, but it's more enjoyable when you get into that head space. Okay. So let me ask you a question. Have you ever been with somebody that's not a pup and then they start kind of inching their way into the puppy stuff. And then the next thing you know, This is my entire life.

Yes. Oh yes. Very, very much so. Um, actually just one recently, um, I met him on a second life, um, and we're, uh, he, he helped design my first Sona actually. Um, and, uh, basically got my head, my head thoughts basically, and put them on an actual paper. Um, but he actually, uh, recently just started talking to me and actually made a full on of puppy, like puppy Twitter and puppy Headspace, like thing, and like is now full fledged puppy and is loving it.

And just like, I want more gear. I love this gear. Like it's so much fun. I get to be all sexy, like, and no one knows who I am. Um, so like there's, there's definitely like a whole, whole thing to it. Okay. But do you need gear to get into the Headspace? No. No, not at all. Okay. All right. So if I were to go to a pup mosh with no gear and act like a puppy, I'd be accepted.

Yes, you should be. If you're not, then, uh, you, you, you send them my way and I'll have words. Well, I prefer to be more on the handler side, uh, more than the caregiver, the not protagonist, but, uh, the person that takes care of the pup, I prefer to be that role. So maybe that's just because. Of my age. I don't know.

Or when I got into this, I think if I got into this when I was younger, well, of course, if I got into this, when I was younger, I would've been locked up for perversion, but, um, there's definitely times have changed. Let me tell you, oh, yes. And like the acceptance acceptance is, is a lot, um, more so, um, happening nowadays and that's, and that's because people are finding the Headspace and they're finding, um, that it's not just about sex.

If it was just about sex, then you wouldn't be seeing it on, you know, it's very interesting. I've been seeing it on like actual TV shows and like, uh, I think the mass singer had it. Uh, yeah. So the mass singer had a, a bulldog, um, on one of the seasons, I think it was the second season that they had it and never watched that show.

It just tells me, oh, it's, it's hilarious. So anyways, this, this, this bulldog is one of the competitions, right? He's in a full, gigantic, like suit, like a furry suit type of thing. And then all of a sudden, all these dancers come out and they're all in pup hoods like intimately, a good 20 of them are all of these different colored pup hoods.

And I was just. They have no idea what they just did. Um, they just legitimatize my entire fandom. He just legitimate ties like my entire being. Um, and then, um, also like the Carbonaro effect, um, he actually did a episode about love and, uh, there was actually like a full on episode, like part of an episode where he actually visited, uh, pups and actually like did some magic for them.

And they talked about like the community and like the Headspace and everything. Hmm. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. So how long does a Headspace usually last that is. All over the place. Um, it can last, you know, five seconds to, you know, five hours or, you know, 24 hours if you really are into it. Um, and, and again, the longer you're in it, the more you're going to need that aftercare.

Um, because the, the longer, again, the longer you're into that, like that scene or that play session, um, or that Headspace, the more you're going to need that, that aftercare to, um, take care of, you know, the actual pump after they're coming out of that, because the deeper you go into it, the harder it is to come out of it.

So, yeah. So lucky when you're 24 7 pup, are you in Headspace 24 7? Um, I wouldn't say I'm in like deep Headspace as we referred to before. Um, I'm kind of always half and half out. Um, but with. My specified role. Um, it's generally considered to be a little bit better for me to be half and half out. That way I can still like look over people and make sure they're right and make sure everything's taken care of and, you know, do my duties that I've been assigned.

So just because I want to bring this up. So when I met you, low-key you're with canes. We are at the LFC last year, uh, 28, 20 20 21. And you both had your pup hoods on and we went up to my room to cuddle. And you both took your pup hoods off. Now, did you come out of head space or were you even in head space when you're down while you're downstairs or what was, what was going on there?

Did you, I, I'm just kind of curious and understood. Um, so I was, I was half and half out. Like I am probably 85% of the day. Um, just mostly because it's comforting to know. Um, along with a few other things, but we'll get into that later when we start probably, well, we could probably get in that today, if we go and delve deeper into Africa.

Um, but, uh, I was, I was probably about half and half out. Um, but I will say the last time that I got like completely into head space was at Biola FC, um, 20, 21. Um, and canes can attest because he saw me for like 30 minutes being fucking stupid as shit, but it's fine. Um, that's cool. That's cool. Like, but I mean, so, all right, so you go to a con, you go to a forgotten, you got these pumps running around and they got their hoods on, they got their, their gear on, but they're not acting like puck.

So at that point that they just, is it just kind of like a fursuit for them or is it, I mean, explain, explain. I mean, obviously they're not going to be in pups head space when you're in a crowd of 5,000 furries. Understood. Um, so honestly it could either be just because of, and it sounds awful, but some puppies aren't necessarily puppies.

They're more using the well-known gear for like a status effect or to be liked, you know, have like a common interest or something similar to that. Um, but I can speak from personal preference because I have really bad social anxiety. Um, so I wear my hoods at like meets and stuff and I can actually. Talk to people.

I can actually interact with people outside of it because, Hey, they didn't have no fucking idea who I am. And if I'm a total ass of myself for whatever reasonable, okay, well, they don't know who I am. So I mean, it doesn't matter at that point. And that's a lot like the furry world. I mean, people that are in fursuit, you could be an entirely different person inside fursuit than you are outside of first suit.

And it's been my experience just in the furry world alone. That it's, it's great for people that have social anxiety, because you can not have to worry a fuck about anything because nobody knows anything who you are. Yeah. So, and, but a lot of them choose to let people know who they are, but there are, there are a lot of firms out there that nobody knows who they are outside of suit.

And you know, and I'm guessing there's a lot of puppies that people don't know who they are outside of their. Um, I actually, uh, got the, uh, pleasure to meet ropy. I don't know if you know who ropy is, but I have no idea. So ropy is, uh, someone that was. Tumblr. I mean, even, um, back in the day and, uh, has a Twitter and everything.

Um, but he's really known for, uh, the really cute puppy videos. And I'll, I'll send you, uh, some of them after this episode and, uh, we'll, uh, I'll, I'll show you what, what I mean. Um, but it's, it's super cute the way he is into that puppy Headspace and in those videos, he, you know, it doesn't say a word. He just literally acts and that's how he is when he's in that head space.

But again, he's not like that when he's at like a con or when he's out and about, because, um, there's a difference too, that like there's, you know, a safety involved, cause he doesn't have his Alfa or handler with him at that time. So he, you know, basically most people don't know what he looks like either.

Um, and that's like the anime animated. And I can't say that word to save my life and anonymity. I, yes, but, uh, yeah, so basically, like there are some pups that literally will not show you what they look like underneath the hood. And that is okay. Um, and Loki is one of those people, um, that, you know, he, he doesn't like having his hood off out in public when he, you know, is, uh, talking with people and, and, uh, doing things with people.

Well, then I feel extremely honored. Low-key I'm I I'm actually tearing up a little bit that you trust me that much. Ah, that's so sweet. You're a good boy to both of your good boys are just going to say that right now. So let's get into aftercare. So you you're in a Headspace. You've had your, your playtime, your session, whatever you want to do.

What is the responsibility to, for aftercare? So after care is literally just taking care of the person that in any kink, really. Um, but basically. The the easiest one to, to, to talk about is, um, BDSM. So when you're, when you're tying someone up or binding them, um, you, you obviously as like the handler or the person that's taking charge of that, the Dom is going to be checking blood, blood flow in the fingertips, in the, um, in the foot, um, temperature of like their fingertips, uh, looking at their skin, um, seeing if they're, uh, getting, you know, white marks or, you know, purple, uh, ligaments or, you know, anything like that, that might signify that there's, you know, less circulation that needs to actually happen.

Um, And, you know, that's when a scene like stops and they take care of that. And also if that happens, then they do aftercare as well for that, because then they know, okay, Hey, Heaney probably needs to drink more water. He might beat the hydrated. Um, and, and the same thing that goes with the, after the session, when, you know, you've done it for two hours and you're, you know, bound in gags and you know, aren't speaking for, you know, two hours after the fact, you kind of need to go drink water, go to the bathroom, get some cuddles, to like, make sure that you're okay as a person coming out of that, um, you're bound to the bed for two hours.

You're going to be stiff. You need to, you need to move around a little bit. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And slowly do it. Like you can't just get up. You're going to pass. No, no, no. Yeah. I, I have, uh, I have a guy that comes over that is really into the, he likes to be restrained. He likes to be tied up. Um, and he. The first time we did it, he's like, I'm new to this.

I'm like, okay. And I, and I unrestrained him and he tried to jump up. I was like, stop, just lay there for a minute. Move slowly. He's like, why is that important? I said, okay, well just try to stand up then. And he tried to stand up. He was like a ragdoll. I said, that's why, so you really have to, you really have to do that.

This is the thing too. So he, he gave you a little bit of a brightness to that answer. And so, and you did the right thing. Okay. Just go ahead and stand up. Then you, you, you, you want to prove me wrong. Go right ahead. That's what I love so much about brattiness because be a Dick, prove me wrong. Go right ahead.

Yeah. Uh it's like, I don't know anything. Um, yeah, so yeah, so aftercare is very, very, very important. And in looking after them is very important. Uh, same thing with like deprivation hoods. Um, I don't know if you've know anything about deprivation hoods, um, He likes that too. So yeah. So deprivation hoods for audience members that might not know, um, is basically cutting off sight, smell, hearing a lot of times.

Um, and like, like some more so than others, but the actual like, uh, breathing or, you know, uh, making it harder to breathe, uh, right. But like in the safe way, like let's not go into, you know, suffocation, um, and not the song and not the song, not the song. Okay. Preferably with that song. So I'm just going to laugh and, and sound like, I know what I'm talking about.

It's a green day suffocation. Green day. Wow. Okay. Okay. Yeah, he knows he's doing it without he knows his microphone on. So he knows, he knows that song. Uh, it's headstrong by trap headstrong by traps. That's what it is. Well, totally wrong on both are both of your accounts. Yes. But, uh, basically, uh, yeah, so like, um, sorry, puppy, Headspace.

Gosh, darn it. Um,

Loki's definitely in the, in the Bret puppy, Headspace. Yeah. He's, he's very much so. Um, but, um, definitely aftercare is definitely a thing that you want to make sure you're doing. Um, and, and again, it's going to be with that individual that you're trusting to do that Headspace or go into that place scene or something, um, kink wise.

Um, and a lot of times this is sexual, but all at the same time, it's, it doesn't have to be. Okay. So what's your aftercare routine. If you're a long time, you know, hour or two in puppy Headspace with your, I don't want to say your alpha, but I don't know your pack. You're doing stuff. What's your, so for me, for me, I just love cuddles.

Um, I am a very much of a Cutler. Um, I love you're a great cuddler, by the way. I'm going to say that right now. I love cuddling. I am a cuddle monster. Um, I will soak them up for hours and hours and hours and, uh, basically, uh, lots of, you know, like petting, um, cuddles, um, You know, basically getting cared for drinking water.

Um, and, uh, I keep touching on the water thing because a lot of pups don't drink a lot of water, uh, when there are a lot of water. So yeah. And then, correct, same thing. So they're, if they're in these neoprene head masks, right. And they don't realize how much they're actually sweating because they're moving around, they're doing all sorts of stuff, but the ears and the mouth, and like your head is where you extrude a lot of heat out of your body.

Um, and you're covering up all of that with, um, with the hood. And so making sure that aftercare is.

For all our listeners Loki's being quite the brat Keynes is having to discipline them a little bit more because he's, he's, he's distracting him from what he's trying to say. Yes. Very much. So I cannot ignore you. Puppy Loki's is hard to ignore. Yes. He's super adorable. He's very adorable. Yes.

All now he's nuzzling him. Alright, so low-key, what's your methodology for aftercare? What do you like to do? What do you, what makes you feel better coming out of pup spit Headspace?

Um, so for me it's a little different. So how I usually come out of Headspace when I'm actually in deep Headspace, um, And Cain still probably tested us. Um, I usually try to take on a little bit more responsibility, so it kind of blurs the line between deep Headspace and half in half out. Um, and then transition out, um, the transition between like half in half out and deep Headspace for me is pretty difficult.

Um, but when I take on more responsibilities, like obviously if like we're having to cut time short, right. Ripping people out of Headspace, fucking sucks. I can tell. Cause I cried my first time I got ripped out for like four hours. Um, so ripping out it's like something happened and you just had to come.

You had to come back to reality. Like right now she's talking about, um, it's it's instead of it gently coming out, it was, it had to be completely like no puffy whatsoever immediately, um, in that situation, which I can talk about that later. Um, But it's, it was, it was not, not fun. I cried for like four hours.

Wow. It was great. No, that's fine. It's a good thing because now I have an experience I can tell people and explain to them why it's not a good idea to do that well. Okay. But, um, I usually try to take on more responsibilities, right? So when I'm in deep Headspace, I don't take on my service Pope roles because I know at that point I'm not mentally stable enough, I guess, is the best way to put that, um, to take care of my duties as a service puppy.

Um, so I usually try to take on more responsibilities, like people handing me stuff to hold and wash over and things like that. And it kind of starts blurring the lines and then going from half in half out to complete the out is not an issue. I can do that by myself and going to bed type of Headspace, perfectly fine.

Um, So the handler or the alpha or whatever has a responsibility to help you move out of Headspace. Yes. That is definitely a good way to put it because, um, they're there to make sure you're all right. So if, say like you're at a puppy event, right. And it's coming to an end, it's not good to just drag a puppy out onto the street or whatever, especially if it's like warm inside and cold outside.

A lot of times that shocks people out of a Headspace because their body is overloaded by a physical, you know, sensation. Um, so it's, and that's another thing like physical sensations can put someone into Headspace, you know, that's, we're kind of slightly off the topic of getting in Headspace, but I know.

I know a couple of puppies that are into being beaten and like punched in the gut and that puts them in head. Okay. I personally, I don't know how, but you know Nope, no. To like everyone, no, to everyone. Yes. Don't just start punching dogs and trying to get them, trying to try to get them into headstones.

Don't do that. No, your Headspace please. Don't um, I'm not responsible space yet.

Oh God, no, no, no. But again, consensual, if you're into that and that's what gets you in there as Loki was saying, right? I mean, am I wrong? I mean, if that's, if that's what gets you where you need to be and it's consensual and that's what you want. Yeah. I mean, it's, again, that comes down to the whole. It has to be consensual.

And you obviously, like we've stated it don't go up and just fucking rail someone or fucking rock their shit because you think it's going to get them in head. So don't do that. That's really awful. Please. Don't hurt someone. Yeah. It's all about communication. I mean, communicate. Well, I mean, if, if, if he says, I mean, I, I had a guy hit me up on Grindr.

He says, do you enjoy choking people? And I'm like, no, like it's, it works for you. It doesn't work for me. Sorry. It's you know, look elsewhere. Yeah, exactly. That's oh yeah. But yeah, that exact thing kind of happens with me and my daddy. Cause I, I like being choked. Um, oops. Um, well, but, but you like it, you enjoy it and he knows your limitations and knows where to start and stop.

And so it's all about communication and knowing each other. Correct order to make it enjoyable for both of you. Correct. Um, and that being said, um, me and my dad, he don't, uh, partake in choking, um, because he. And it's not in a rude way. He's uneducated and he doesn't want to hurt me. And he doesn't want to do any damage or anything because there is a correct and incorrect way of choking.

Please. Don't fucking collapse. Someone's throat, that'd be awful. Just like don't just punch them or grab their throats. You know, there are

no don't do that. No, it's awful. Canes for Keynes is like, oh my God, what did I get myself into? But, um, there, there is there's many correct ways and incorrect ways of doing things. And when it's, when it's something that could be potentially life-threatening if done incorrectly, I understand why people will sway away and not do it.

And that's why my daddy doesn't want to do it. He's not here, but whatever, I'm over here at this point, he might be listening. You know, you never know, potentially, potentially you could listen. I know my husband's going to listen. So. I mean, what the hell did you talk about? Well, I told you what we're going to talk about.

Um, but yeah, so that's, that's something that me and my alpha when every occasional time and we meet, um, that's spread far apart because you know, things happen. Um, and he lives a long distance away, but I still go to see him every now and then. Um, he, he is actually the one that got me into choking and, you know, light impact play and things like that.

Um, because of it, it may, I'm a fucking horny slutty bitch and multiple ways, I guess. Um, well, you know, it's, it's what you need to do. I mean, you know, you gotta do what you gotta do. Okay. And there's, there's definitely, and that's, that's the thing that a lot of people get confused about, um, the difference between, and we can kind of talk to that when we have a more kink, generalized statement, um, there is a difference between a kink and a fetish, right?

And to put it black and white, a kink makes sex more enjoyable and a fetish. If you don't have it, you're not enjoying it at all. Or you can't climb eggs. Um, regardless if it's a mental climax, fiscal climax, whatever the case may be a fetish you have to have during sex. I can't keep you not, I can't make it better.

A fetish would make it a requirement for you to enjoy. I have never heard it put that way. That is very, very intelligent to put it that way. That's I like that. Hmm. All right. Well, uh, Kane, do you have anything else that you'd like to add before we wrap this episode up before we get out of our Headspace and move on to something else?

Yes, Loki is very, very smart. And this is why I wanted to bring him on here, even though he protested a little bit. Cause he was like, I don't know that much. I don't really know anything. And I'm like, no, you know, a lot more than most people and most pups. Yeah. And you know, he's also, you know, a really good friend.

And so I've been enjoying like the time to getting to know him as well as fuck, by the way, if anybody ever meets him, he's hot as fuck. I mean just, just put it out there. It's like, yeah, actually it's funny. So funny story. We were at Mr. S um, getting his, getting his hood and uh, we're, we're like. Getting it right.

And we're in line to check out and he runs off to go get something. Right. And the person, the person in front of me turns around and goes, oh my God, you're such a great, like, like your, your puppy is so adorable. I'm not what was said. Well, he said, he said here your puppy was hot. Um, yeah, but, uh, it was just, it was just funny because he doesn't know our dynamic and this is kind of like going to like the whole thing of asking.

Um, don't just assume, um, yeah. Uh, don't assume with colors and, you know, things like that. Cause like I will wear a collar and he wears a collar for a different reason. Um, but yeah, so basically there's, there's multitude of different things, but, um, yeah, just basically Headspace is very, very, um, like wrapping up a little bit.

Um, Headspace is very, um, individualized. Um, you're going to have to experiment to try to figure it out. Um, it's not necessarily something that you might get into the first couple of times, either you might have to play around and get that familiarity and being, um, you know, in that comfort zone also like being in a different area too, can have an effect as well.

Um, so like, uh, getting like. Like, if you're in your room, it might not necessarily be a way to you to get into that. Cause it might not be a safe place for you to do that. But if you go to somewhere else that you feel like you're more safe, you might be able to get into Headspace more. So, um, in that regard, so again, talk with people, talk with other pups.

Talk to me I'm always more than happy or Loki. Loki is definitely, um, loves to talk to people. And barely as long as it's, as long as it's online, right? Yes. Yes. Um, online. Yes. Don't just start bombarding me at my work. If you know who I am, um, I will panic and run away and hide in a corner. All right. Well, you've been listening to off leash, a definitely not safe for works.

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